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PostSubject: The bible reliable?   Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:42 pm

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PostSubject: Re: The bible reliable?   Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:36 pm

Honestly, I believe in creation. But there are things in the good book that do not seem right to me, like if you are not a believer, you will perish forever in a fiery abyss. That would not be fair, because not everyone is brought up as christians, some people don't even have a say in what they believe. So condemning millions, billions maybe, for something they couldn't help in the first place is wrong.
Also remember that the bible is made up of mans interpretation of God's word, so of course a little bit of what they believed at the time is added into the text.
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PostSubject: Re: The bible reliable?   Fri Jul 31, 2009 6:28 pm

You said:
" like if you are not a believer, you will perish forever in a fiery abyss. That would not be fair, because not everyone is brought up as christians, some people don't even have a say in what they believe. So condemning millions, billions maybe, for something they couldn't help in the first place is wrong."


Glad you said that actually though there is something amazing I learned in response to this topic and its explained in the bible In acts 17:16 Paul goes to Athens and he explains to the people of greece how ignorance use to be okay because they didn't have access to the scriptures or the word and that they were believers of some ultimate deity even though they didn't know what and that God forgave them for that. You've heared the saying ignorance is bliss thats why if you don't have access top the word God overlooks your ignorance.

I'll quote the part inparticular where paul says this
" 22Paul then stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus and said: "Men of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious. 23For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: TO AN UNKNOWN GOD. Now what you worship as something unknown I am going to proclaim to you.

24"The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands. 25And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else. 26From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live. 27God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us. 28'For in him we live and move and have our being.' As some of your own poets have said, 'We are his offspring.'

29"Therefore since we are God's offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by man's design and skill. 30In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.[u]

You said:
"a little bit of what they believed at the time is added into the text."

Well you see thats what makes the book so unique and a miracle to creationists or christians or Jews or any believer of Christ or God as stated by Josh McDowell

Here is a book written over a 1,500 year span. Written over 40 generations. Written by over 40 authors from every walk of life including kings, peasants, philoshophers, fisherman, poets, statesmen, scholars, ect.

Moses, a political leader, trained in the universities of egypt
Peter, a fisherman
Amos, a herdsman
Joshua, a military general
Nehemiah, a cupbearer
Daniel, a prime minister
Luke, a doctor
Solomon, a king
Matthew, a tax collector
Paul, a rabbi


written in different places: Moses in the wilderness, Jerimiah in a dungeon, daniel on a hillside in a palace, paul inside prison walls, luke while traveling, John while on the isle of patmos, others in the rigors of military campaign

Written at different times: David in times of war, Solomon in times of peace
Written during different moods: Some writing from the heights of joy and others from the depths of sorrow and despair
Written on three continents: Asia, Africa, and Europe
Written in three languages: Hebrew: language of the Old testament. Aramaic: was the ""common language" of the near east unti the time of Alexander the Great.
Greek:New testeman language


Even after that each book in the bible still stands true to the content of the other you can't say all of these people planned this out can you?


P.S if you want to start up a new topic cause you have a question go ahead.
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PostSubject: Re: The bible reliable?   Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:03 pm

Oh I see, so non believers aren't necessarily condemned? All the things people say can mess with your mind and confuse you, but if you take the time to read a little. You can find things that really clears issues up.

And yes, the bible was written across time in different situations. But don't you think the situation influenced the content that went into each book? I'm not saying that the entire meaning of the book was affected, maybe just some sentences, even words were influenced by the situation in which they were written. Meaning that I think the bible is not 100% exactly how God intended it to be.
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PostSubject: Re: The bible reliable?   Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:13 am

DavidTri wrote:
Oh I see, so non believers aren't necessarily condemned? All the things people say can mess with your mind and confuse you, but if you take the time to read a little. You can find things that really clears issues up.

And yes, the bible was written across time in different situations. But don't you think the situation influenced the content that went into each book? I'm not saying that the entire meaning of the book was affected, maybe just some sentences, even words were influenced by the situation in which they were written. Meaning that I think the bible is not 100% exactly how God intended it to be.

Well I'm a pretty hardcore believe of God so I would say no I mean some words may of been switched around but the verses all have the same meaning I'm short on time on this post but they used very vicous ways of translating the bible and making new copys if they screwed up one word they had to restart an entire scroll and they compared by each verse and they made sure it was written in a specific way to check easy I'll explain better later but you shlould look into it.
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PostSubject: is the bible reliable?   Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:49 pm

I have a few issues with what has been said mainly with "the bible was written from man's interpritation" that is wrong god made the bible easy to understand by using situations that would have made more sense back then to portray a point that is valid to this day god told them what to write. For example in the book of revelations jhon was shown the end times and was told to go and tell what is to come so he wrote only what he saw. Through out the entire book you don't read how these images say we should repent based on jhons own religious biased opinions some scholors even say that god most likly chose jhon because he was one that may not have been as religously sound and would record only what he saw. THE TRUTH no emotions just pure shock.
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